disconscious ([info]disconscious) wrote,
@ 2006-09-06 04:24:00
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What a shame with all psychologists and all those who work in the mental health professions. I thought in my naivety they were supposed to side with those who do not fit in this degrading society, but they seem to prefer siding with the State, society, trying to get you to `fit'.

Freud defined a mental disease as the inability to function in society. I had thought he meant that in a liberal sense, that this meant no behavior could be properly labeled as a problem as long as one was comfortable with it and could still function properly. But now I realize how conservative and repressive his thinking was. He was to be interpreted literally, what he meant was that his role was to get people to adapt to society, that society set the standard, not the person.

He saw his work as that of putting people in `working order', for them to become docile cogs, no matter what society they were living in, no matter how unjust, repressive, intolerant, dysfunctional. Put him in Saudi Arabia with a woman patient, and he would see no relation between her ailment and the society that forces her to wear a veil or let her husband take a second or third wife. At best, he was inspired by the notion you can't change society so better fit in it. At worst, he was a willful lackey of the State. In any case, nothing like a revolutionary or a progressive.

I now see those shrinks are tools of the system, re-engineerers of the psyche, people who see the problem in the individual, not in its vicious environment. Oh of course, they will pretend otherwise, try to mollify you, but the proof of my assertion is that they won't let go of you until they think you are back in line.

They will go as far as pretending to `accept' you, letting you believe they have some genuine understanding, they will pretend to side with you, but all the while they won't accept they themselves are part of the system that is the problem.

They prefer betraying their vocation, forgetting why they took up those professions and blocking the way for those with genuine will and a genuine ability to help. Shame to them for misappropriating their science and putting it to use against those it was meant to help. Sellouts. Usurpers. Fakes with diplomas.

How many times did they try to convince me of their theories on my behalf, and when I held steadfast and refused to adopt their interpretation, used their same theory to `prove' me wrong. How can I even be wrong if I don't believe one word of what they say, or when I disproved them. And how beneficial to me can it be to have to defend myself constantly, asserting myself against some tool of patriarchy.

The worst thing in all this story is that I am convinced they know the extent of their treachery and they know they can't build anything on this perversion of their profession. When they ask me to partake in their little useless plays, they actually ask me to betray myself in a futile compassion for their impotence. As if I could ever make real the illusion they have that they can help. As if by some magic I could build anything based on a conscious lie.

Oh, what I hate most are their false promises, the utter waste of time they impose on me. That horrible mix of arrogance, power, greed, lack of means, impotence, and perpetual failure that seems to typify this whole sector in the medical establishment. And what I hate most is me for having to frequent those truly sick, despicable people.



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[info]whatarainylady
2006-09-06 06:48 pm UTC (link)
psychology is a degree, a profession, a science that concerns itself with mental processes and behaviour.
psychologists are people who learn, teach, research, practice therapy.
freud was a psychologist.
freud was a person.
people make mistakes.
many of freud's theories have been altered, rejected, proven wrong, proven outdated, proven to be full of misogyny, and proven incomplete. in my personal opinion, freud was a sexist hack, and there are thousands of psychologists (and women psychologists) out there who feel the same way and do not incorporate his methods - with the exception of the "talking method" which is just therapy's general structure - into their practice.
i'd like to recommend that you take a psychology course, for your own benefit and interest, that does not involve freud - humanistic, social, personality, abnormal, cognitive. open your mind to the ideas and theories of brilliant thinkers who aren't repressive, but inclusive.
i could give you a list of names a mile long of people who, simply put, have found beautiful and true connections between an individual and the society that influences them, without trying to mold the individual into some category of "normalcy." a "fit" person is a person who has a general sense of unity and harmony in their personality, who is happy with their own goals, place, ambitions, sense of self. a fit person is not a robot who does what they are told by society and functions at the lowest levels possible.
i feel the trouble you are having is with the general study of "abnormal" psychology. take an abnormal psychology course and educate yourself - you will find that the definition of abnormal does not involve people who want to be individual or eccentric or "themselves". it involves people whose lives are genuinely in distress because they are personally unhappy with the way their life is. therapy is a logical conclusion of abnormal psychology - and, depending on who you see, they all have different ideas of where the problem stems from. humanists believe that all people are inherently good, and some believe that it is society's poison that drives people away from their own inner goodness - which is an individual concept, not a societal one.

i'm not offended by anything you've said in your post. it's your personal opinion based on your own personal experience with psychologists. i just hope that perhaps you can explore the incredibly broad and, by the way, impossible to define by one person (or even a few people), field of psychology. and maybe find that there are some truly lovely ideas about the individual person, about the goodness of people in general, mixed in with the bad ones.

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[info]disconscious
2006-09-07 12:56 pm UTC (link)
I find your answer quite incredibly condescending, failing totally to take into account the fact I am speaking from personal experience. For a person who claims to be well versed in psychology, and claiming the possibility of a good use of it, you sure did not seem to profit from your learning.

I also find your use of the term 'abnormal psychology' unacceptable and offensive. It illustrates perfectly my assertions.

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[info]whatarainylady
2006-09-07 07:59 pm UTC (link)
i don't want to start some argument, which is why in my reply i actually did acknowledge that you were speaking from personal experience.
right here: "it's your personal opinion based on your own personal experience with psychologists."
the thing is, i wasn't trying to be condescending at all, although this is sometimes how these things come across in such a subjective world of text on a screen. i've been in therapy myself, and since it is a subject that i am studying, i thought it would be okay to put in my opinion on the matter. i guess we can't all agree on everything, right?
i feel i have profited greatly from my learning, please do not assume otherwise based on the fact that i don't agree with what you say about psychologists.
and the term abnormal psychology is not something i just made up to defend therapy, it's an actual category of study in the field of psychology, and i took a class last year with the same name.
in taking it i learned exactly how psychologists define "abnormal" psychology, and while i can see how it would appear to be rude, it's actually not. it's simply another branch of study.
thanks for posting this though, it's always helpful to see things from another person's perspective, especially someone else who has been in the "patient" role, and knows what it's really like to be in therapy.

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[info]disconscious
2006-09-07 01:16 pm UTC (link)
On the other hand, I do agree there are some good stuff in client centered therapy, for example, and I also am reading some good, uplifting and accepting books like 'women who run with the wolves' by Estes. The frustration I express is mainly generated by the male dominated fields of psychiatry, which, with the full backing of financial resources from the State, impose their own agendas on their patients with little oversight and in full connivence with other psychiatrists. They form cliques that conspire to block or allow access to treatment based on arbitrary and inhumane criteria. They also accept without questioning what politicians tell them to do, based on society's prejudices.

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[info]disconscious
2006-09-07 01:42 pm UTC (link)
Good stuff in your journal, you write beautifully.

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[info]whatarainylady
2006-09-07 08:01 pm UTC (link)
thank you very much, i feel the same about you.

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[info]redchippednails
2006-09-06 07:41 pm UTC (link)
Thankfully Freud is pretty antiquated.
No system of therapy works unless the client accepts it.

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[info]disconscious
2006-09-07 01:43 pm UTC (link)
Quite true, quite true, what I don't like is when you _have_ to accept a system of therapy to get any kind of treatment.

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This is off topic, but...
[info]edsobo
2006-09-07 10:34 pm UTC (link)
I just noticed that you had added me as a friend (I'm sure it has been some time since that happened, but I don't use my LJ much these days.) and I was just trying to figure out if I actually know you or not.

I don't mind either way. I just had to satisfy my curiousity.

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Re: This is off topic, but...
[info]disconscious
2006-09-08 10:14 am UTC (link)
Do you mean you don't remember me. I am very disappointed.

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Re: This is off topic, but...
[info]edsobo
2006-09-15 10:04 pm UTC (link)
Ah, this isn't entirely fair. If I've met you in person, I'm sure that you were introduced to me by a name other than "discounscious". If not... Well, maybe you used this name, but I'll have to cop to forgetting.

Would it help you feel less disappointed if I tell you I'm sorry?

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[info]ksuzy
2006-09-08 06:35 pm UTC (link)
Great post. Read They Say You're Crazy by Paula Caplan. She's a feminist... psychologist? Psychiatrist? One of the two.

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